His good quality being what? That he works hard? Everyone can work hard, which is not exactly a selling point, but one that is most often used in shounen romance manga. Or any romance manga, really. Or that he's very analytic? Something which Natsu doesn't seem impressed by, and actually finds it kind of weird (since she plays on instinct).Even if you donīt see any good qualities in him, many of them do. Natsu certainly did since she asked him to be her boyfriend. Even the glasses girl does since she is in love with him.
As I said in the above comment before, Natsu liking him has a very low probability of happening (and I mean having a random crush on him). However, people can still like someone if they spend time together and find out more about the other. However, you don't understand what I mean by important moments. It's about sharing intimacy. I've had a long term relationship started from online chatting. We exchanged plenty of chats and became very intimate, talking to each other about pretty much everything. I didn't mean anything 'physical'. We don't see this happen between them at all. They sometimes meet up and talk about tennis, and that's it.So, just because they havenīt shared "important moments" together itīs impossible for Natsu to like him?
I have read about people who have only known each other trough facebook, fallen in love with each other and then married.
They had no "important moments" between them since they had never even met before they got married. but they still fell in love and they still married.
The closest thing has to be the scene where they went to karaoke I think, and that's just one moment.
If it happened off-screen, that's such a cop-out, and no one would really 'get' why they like each other if you just handwave it and pretend they spent more time together without actually showing it. This is badly developed romance.
Were this realistic, Maruo wouldn't 'get the girl' just because he's a nice guy and works hard. Google 'Nice Guys' and read some articles about them. Actually, I'll save you the hassle of googling, and give you a link. They don't get the girl. Sometimes they do, but it's not with the type of girl Natsu is. He'd instead go with the glasses girl, who is shy, insecure, and readily available.A realistic romance is not something like those over dramatic Mangaīs you seems to read, they are actually more like this one. Why is it unrealistic? We donīt see everything the characters do at any time.
Also, I want to address your 'over dramatic manga's you seem to read' point. I read lots of genres, and I've read loads and loads of manga tagged with romance. I hate mostly all of them. The ones I have in my signature are the only ones I like, which I find pretty realistic in terms of romance development (with the exception of Ookami Lover). Look them up sometime, and you'll see what I mean about 'sharing important moments' together.
Please do not insult me and assume what you think my idea of romance is when I have mentioned no such thing. Don't make assumptions.Thatīs because you have the completely wrong idea about what romance is...
Just because I disagree with how realistic this pairing is, doesn't mean I don't like the actual manga. And uhh, like you said below, it's a tennis manga! Not a romance one. I definitely don't read it for the romance.Then why are you here? why are you reading it?
Why yes, I've noticed this is a sports manga. I don't care much for the romance part at all, I wish they left it out to be honest, because it's not very well developed, and because the characters themselves aren't well developed either, so I couldn't care less about them and their romantic endeavors.Thatīs because this is a tennis Manga. If you hadn't noticed....
The romance is only secondary in this Manga.
I like Baby Steps, I just wish it would also put more importance on developing characters, than always going in-depth about the tennis. The tennis is grounded in reality, their romance, not so much, it's dull because yes, it's a sports manga, and so the characters take a backseat and end up being pretty one-dimensional.
To me, Natsu is just the love-interest to show that Maruo has 'grown' throughout the manga. He got better at tennis, so he gets the girl. It's really as simple as that.
I will refer you to the link I posted above, Nice Guys with a TM afters its name. Maruo shares some qualities with them. Basically, the end result is, Marou is attracted to Natsu's outgoing personality and looks. This is perfectly reasonable. Natsu has no such attraction to Maruo at first glance, thus they have to rely on other things to get her to 'like' him. Things like 'he tries his best' which sound really stupid, but it's a common go-to reason for getting characters to like someone in a manga when they have no other qualities.And Have you also never heard that girls chase the bad boy, but it's the nice guy they take home to meet their parents? You'd actually be surprised how well most 'nice guys' end up in real life relationshipsalthough I do not agree with Maruo being merely a nice guy...
At what point has Maruo been there for Natsu ... and what has he said other than 'do your best' that would perhaps give her a lasting impact? I only really remember them going out for karaoke, but that was so lackluster. I don't care about Ike, it is perfectly reasonable to think Natsu wouldn't like him, because as you said, he isn't there much. But simply because a guy IS there all the time, doesn't mean they'll like them, nor does it mean they should like them. Then you could give the same argument to that glasses girl which stalks Maruo all the time, you don't see Maruo noticing her or liking her back.1. He's competing for a national title in a VERY difficult sport
2. He's been there for natsu at several points in the story where she got worried. If I really need to I can go find the exact pages.
3. Unlike Ike, who's basically left and only comes to check in occasionally, Maruo is there constantly. That does help in building a relationship.
It's mostly shoujo manga which does that, opting to go for the mysterious guy, than the best friend which is likeable. That's for another discussion though. As it stands, currently, shounen manga with romance tagged to its genre, will either give the male main character a harem or love triangle (check any of the most popular manga on MF right now tagged shounen. Good Ending is a good example), or he will end up with his love interest at the end. Surprisingly, Baby Steps does subvert this by making them get together in the middle, and not at the end. This doesn't make it more realistic though.Thirdly you'd be surprised how many manga, the 'nice guy' as you put it doesn't get the girl. It's actually not all that strange, shounen manga (particularly older ones) often end in an epic death. It's concurrent mainstream that's changed that, but it's still not the norm.
Your point? I know this. This is a topic discussing how realistic it is for Natsu to like Maruo, I'm discussing this, so why do you feel the need to bring it up that this is a sports manga primarily? Yes romance is taking a backseat, but that doesn't excuse its underdeveloped romance.Fourthly, as previously stated...this is a sports shonen manga. Not a shoujo romance (as is typical when it comes to romance manga), although there are some good shonen romance manga, they're few and far between. Most tend to use romance as support and not a major component of plot.
Maruo is very ... one dimensional. He took perfect notes at the beginning as if he has OCD. Now, he takes notes for tennis, and has gotten good at tennis. He's figured out he likes tennis, and that's the extend of his character development, literally. He's likable, but doesn't have many sides to him that make up a three dimensional character. Natsu is such a minor character, I have no idea why you even picked her out, because the manga doesn't focus on her. It barely does. Maruo is the only one who gets focus, but he doesn't really get developed that well in terms of personality, unless it's related to tennis.Fifthly, how are the characters underdeveloped for a manga? They focus on Ei-Chan of whom we've seen the vast majority of progress through the story. And on Nacchan, who we're starting to see develop as the story goes on.
What, no way. There's plenty of shounen manga out there that develops characters. Death Note comes to mind. Or hell, if you really want to get down and dirty, even Naruto does it. Baby Steps is at the bottom of the list, it's about tennis, which is fine, but don't pretend it's about developing interesting characters and seeing them grow and change as a person.In truth, the author focuses more on character development than is typical of most Manga, particularly those that are shonen.
I've never heard of anyone propose this argument. Manga isn't about character development? That makes me think you haven't read many good manga. There's loads of manga out there that focus on character development. 7 Seeds is a good one where characters change and grow throughout the manga, also Onani Master Kurosawa is absolutely beautiful in terms of developing characters - even minor ones!If you want to see Character development, read a book, watch a movie, or see a TV show. You'll get it there. Manga constitutes itself upon grabbing the attention as best as possible through still images and a few words. Doesn't particularly leave room for true character development. Most of the time, development is seen in Anime, and not in the manga itself; rather, the manga is basically an outline of the major key points that occur in an anime. Therefore it tends to lack the subtleties that you'd find in a book or in a TV programme.
Manga is a good medium, it can be used to show character development. Baby Steps doesn't have to, it can focus on tennis all it wants, doesn't mean I can't point it out that it has one dimensional characters.