Why's Toru so weak??

[Tritamus]

Why the hell is Toru so weak? I mean having no iris is no big deal cause he has great intuition. But since he knows that some people would pick on him, he should at least learn how to fight so he can protect himself when threaten. I mean he let ONE guy stomp on him in the chest and even threaten to put out his eye with a cigiratte until the red head girl came to save his sorry butt. That's so lame. I lost all respect for the main character after that. I cant stand it when Authors make a main character so weak and helpless.

[Thearux]

Why the hell is Toru so weak? I mean having no iris is no big deal cause he has great intuition. But since he knows that some people would pick on him, he should at least learn how to fight so he can protect himself when threaten. I mean he let ONE guy stomp on him in the chest and even threaten to put out his eye with a cigiratte until the red head girl came to save his sorry butt. That's so lame. I lost all respect for the main character after that. I cant stand it when Authors make a main character so weak and helpless.

Sorry but you seriously don't understand how does it feels being against a WHOLE SCHOOL.
Yeah, also he has his motto, he isn't weak, he is far stronger than you, and helpless? Im starting to think that you haven't read iris zero.

[Tritamus]

Hey i didn't mean for this reply to be responded by weak main character lovers like you, so keep it to your self please. Any person who just sits there and let somebody try to put their eye out without retaliation is weak and pathetic. PERIOD!!!!

[Samidare]

As if you'd be any better at fighting back, so keep your unrealistic comments to yourself please Tritamus. You're pathetic for thinking that a person's value depends on his ability to fight... PERIOD!

[yukihochan]

Kid,

You've been reading way too much Naruto, Bleach, and all that shit to be thinking like that
Lay off with the ninjas and guys wearing black bathrobes once in a while, it can be good for you

What good will bring him if he fought back in that instance?
Hate breeds more hate. The same goes with Violence.
He may have fended off his offenders that one time if he indeed fought back, but what could possibly happen next?
Those guys might come back, and with more muscle and rage fuel.

So did it solve his problem? No, he only made it worse


Think about it kid


EDIT:
And no, he's not weak either. In fact, he may even be stronger than those Ninjas and Bathrobe guys
A truly strong person will avoid fighting at all costs

and yes, I'm indeed, hating on Naruto and Bleach

[jreality]

Kid,

You've been reading way too much Naruto, Bleach, and all that shit to be thinking like that
Lay off with the ninjas and guys wearing black bathrobes once in a while, it can be good for you

What good will bring him if he fought back in that instance?
Hate breeds more hate. The same goes with Violence.
He may have fended off his offenders that one time if he indeed fought back, but what could possibly happen next?
Those guys might come back, and with more muscle and rage fuel.

So did it solve his problem? No, he only made it worse


Think about it kid


EDIT:
And no, he's not weak either. In fact, he may even be stronger than those Ninjas and Bathrobe guys
A truly strong person will avoid fighting at all costs

and yes, I'm indeed, hating on Naruto and Bleach

You're biased. Naruto is also trying to avoid the fight. It is just his opponent do not back off easily, and I agree with the topic creator. Letting someone put cigarette into your eye is just bad decision. Losing your eye because of the fodder isn't just worth it.

[Noreply]

Hey i didn't mean for this reply to be responded by weak main character lovers like you, so keep it to your self please. Any person who just sits there and let somebody try to put their eye out without retaliation is weak and pathetic. PERIOD!!!!

Let me translate the first line you said,
"Hey, I didn't mean for this to have any comments from anybody who disagrees with me, I made this to slam on the main character and to rave about how weak he is." What is that. Seriously. Not only do you label any one who disagrees with you something derogatory, you nullify their opinion as "weak main character lovers".

Oh by the way, the U.S. army is going to put a cigarette in your eye. If you don't sit there and TAKE IT LIKE A MAN, they're going to kill everyone you've ever cared about. Or maybe terrorists are threatening you, but in that situation you can depend on the army to protect those you care about, and put your burdens onto them. Are you going to say, you'll just beat them all by yourself? Way to be in denial. Way to be a child actually, you won't accept the responsibilities burdens and consequences of your actions. You're going to get others killed because of something as stupid as pride. If you think that strength is solely through fights, then I can see why you started this thread to get a niche of people who think the same way as you and support each other's bias.

Maybe you're just sexist? Because he was saved by a girl he was lame? I really don't think I need to explain how.... ridiculous that is.

Oh no, his eye got burned away. At least he still has his life. You think standing up and fighting is the right idea, you clearly aren't paying attention. There's a school full of people filled with prejudice and hatred, the only way he copes with it is to avoid it. They could kill him. You don't even understand that do you? What it means for a life to be lost? You clearly haven't taken it to heart.

Do you have any idea how truly strong he is? You haven't the faintest clue, so let me elaborate for you.
He was made a target, bullied abused hated, the list goes on. The person who was the cause of this...... he helped them. Do you have any idea what it's like to help a person you should by all rights hate? To avoid causing them even more problems purely out of spite? His whole life living in a bottle of hate, and how does he deal with it? By understanding. It's easy enough to say that he's just running from them and taking the path of least resistance, and the least macho path, and that instead anyone who messed with him he should just fight and beat them up like any other generic cliched shounen character, but no, instead he takes the hardest path, that of understanding. Who knows, maybe he could have just fought and fought and won, the ideal you seem to be hoping for, but guess what, then you've just got a mound of bruised and beaten up enemies.

You think he's weak? You're wrong. He's only going to get stronger from here on out too.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time nerd raging. If I was stronger, maybe I could forgive you for your grievances. I wonder what kind of drivel you'll respond with? Maybe, "shut up weak-main-character-fanboy/lover", or perhaps, "lul omg this is a manga i dun want a realistic scenario i jus want somethin dumb", or no response at all? How about some kind of troll comment? Or "best scenario is bruised and beaten up enemies". That one is so dumb, yeah, it's totally a better idea to have beaten up the girl who can see when someone is lying, in contrast to befriending her.

I was commenting on what you're response would be, but don't reciprocate, I'm not checking this thread again.

[yukihochan]

You're biased. Naruto is also trying to avoid the fight

Like I said earlier, I'm hating on Naruto, and thus, the bias

But let's not get off topic here shall we?

[Havoc12]

Why the hell is Toru so weak? I mean having no iris is no big deal cause he has great intuition. But since he knows that some people would pick on him, he should at least learn how to fight so he can protect himself when threaten. I mean he let ONE guy stomp on him in the chest and even threaten to put out his eye with a cigiratte until the red head girl came to save his sorry butt. That's so lame. I lost all respect for the main character after that. I cant stand it when Authors make a main character so weak and helpless.

Kid, I think you are reading the wrong manga. This is for a mature audience, who expect more realism and less fantasy. In a Shounen martial arts manga the hero might learn how to fight and kick the arse out of 20 ppl without breaking a sweat, but in reality if 20 people go after you, you run or you get your arse kicked.

If its the school bully fighting back is definitely the way to go, but this is not the case for Torou. The poor guy is like a black kid in a school full of skinheads. 99% of the other students hate him and see him as a disease or a freak of nature. Practically every single person in his immediate environment is his enemy. He can fight back, but that will just enrage them more. If he was a big strong and brutal kind of person he might be able to inspire some fear, but that is no guarantee that he will be safe. The best and safest option for him was to just sit still and let them do what they want.

Torou is relying on the natural squeamishness of people. Most of us will simply not take things too far if we are not provoked. So staying still and let them do what they want is a valid strategy in this case. Keeping a low profile and minimum exposure is the best way to do things. By doing so he has the best chance of not getting hurt too badly. If he did fight back, he might win the first time if its not to many people, but next time they could come at him with weapons. Maybe it will give them the determination to really hurt him. He is already despised. Would it really be a good idea to add fear to that? Only an idiot would underestimate what a group of people can do to someone they both despise and fear and Torou is clearly not an idiot. In other words staying still and hoping that the bullies don't take things too far is ingrained in Torou and anyone with half a brain can immediately comprehend why.

On the other hand the guy coming after him with the cigarette is an ex-delinquent, who has probably seen a brawl or two. When he gets attacked Torou reacts the way he has always reacted he stands still and hopes that the other guy won't take it too far. He didn't expect someone trying to burn his eye off. He got roughed up a bit and then suddenly he is face to face with a cigarette next to his eye. I think deep down he was thinking "calm down and stay still, he wont really do it". I don't think he would do it either, even if they were not interrupted.

All in all Torou's reaction is perfectly consistent with his character and it is exactly what you would expect from a kid that has been bullied by everyone around him all his life. If you think he is weak, you are clearly an idiot. 90% of people in Torou's shoes hang themselves or get a gun and shoot up their school, but he has managed to survive and flourish despite that. That is called endurance and perseverance, the source of real strength. Being able to kick the shit out of people means nothing in the end. No one can win every fight and most challenges people face in their lives cannot be solved with their firsts.

[IronSand]

What if Toru fought and beat that guy? Other students would hear that and some of them definitely beat him up. Not to mention that the guy would do much more than just burning Toru's eye if Toru injured him. At least that's what I think.