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    Default plot development...

    How much are you willing to bet that HIS DAUGHTER becomes her own mother... and since she has machine parts or whatever.... 17 years into the future her body breaksdown... If this is not the case... then i'll be damned... but what are your guys ideas on who the mother is?... and how this guy could EVER get "some" LET ALONE a GIRL!!!...

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    yeah, I agree, this guy isn't quite romeo or prince charming, is he?
    And yeah, I also agree that she's her own mother, I guessed that in chapter 2
    but you are smarter than I, as I never would of guessed that she was sick because of going back in time/becoming a machine-thingy

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    You guys have seen bakc to the future right?
    Meeting yourself in the future or past can cause a catastrophical anomily wiping both future and past yous out of history.

    In this case the Past Chimari Ichinose died because the future younger self was born and started to take up the space in the timestream. Having constant contact like that must be disastrous to both Chimari daughter and mothers health. Although the mother probably decided to sacrifice herself for her daughter.

    Most likely the mother will regain full health after her younger self travelled back in time. Her travelling bak in time does save her mother but the genetic code manipulation was something done to the child as to confuse the timestream of the presence of the same person at the same time and space.

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    I believe this theory is correct. She is most likely her own mother. This also coincides with the fact that her mother has a Genetic disease, which will happen (most likely) if you give birth to yourself.

    She unknowingly created a very weird paradox inside a paradox. Her mother has a genetic illness, so she travels back in time. There she ends up falling in love with her soon-to-be father. She eventually becomes pregnant, and gives birth to herself(weird...)
    This causes her to aquire a genetic failure, as she got half her genes from her father, but she also got half her genes from herself. Yet, when she falls in love with her father, she already have partly his genes. This creates a double Paradox. Really weird.

    Summarized more easily:
    She was born, with genes from her mother and her father. She travels back in time, to save her mother. She falls in love with her father, and end up pregnant. the child has the genes of the mother and the father. But the problem is that the mother part, were supplied by herself and the father part of the baby, was supplied by the father, but she already has those genes. Also, the mother parts come from a paradox as well. She has mother parts, but she is her own mother, but the mother ha to get the parts somewhere, but she is her own mother. In a way she has only new parts from her father. She is like a half-clone. Half her parts come from father, half her parts come from herself. This gives her a genetic illness, gives me a headache just thinking about it, and creates one hell of a paradox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkEnergy View Post
    I believe this theory is correct. She is most likely her own mother. This also coincides with the fact that her mother has a Genetic disease, which will happen (most likely) if you give birth to yourself.

    She unknowingly created a very weird paradox inside a paradox. Her mother has a genetic illness, so she travels back in time. There she ends up falling in love with her soon-to-be father. She eventually becomes pregnant, and gives birth to herself(weird...)
    This causes her to aquire a genetic failure, as she got half her genes from her father, but she also got half her genes from herself. Yet, when she falls in love with her father, she already have partly his genes. This creates a double Paradox. Really weird.

    Summarized more easily:
    She was born, with genes from her mother and her father. She travels back in time, to save her mother. She falls in love with her father, and end up pregnant. the child has the genes of the mother and the father. But the problem is that the mother part, were supplied by herself and the father part of the baby, was supplied by the father, but she already has those genes. Also, the mother parts come from a paradox as well. She has mother parts, but she is her own mother, but the mother ha to get the parts somewhere, but she is her own mother. In a way she has only new parts from her father. She is like a half-clone. Half her parts come from father, half her parts come from herself. This gives her a genetic illness, gives me a headache just thinking about it, and creates one hell of a paradox.
    If that's the case, the more her "future daughter" selves time travel back to when she meets her father, the more she will become a FULL clone of him. This is basic genetics you learn in high school.

    You're implying that she, as the mother, is already 3/4 her father, so if it keeps adding up, she will eventually become her father.

    This is what I think:

    But how can she give birth to herself if she wasn't born yet? What I mean is, there has to be a first mother so she could be born in the first timeline. So someone from the present still has to be the real mother. I think she'll either show up eventually, or is the Dog President, who has already completed all known requirements so far.

    Hints that it is the Dog Pres.:
    1. Chima's mom was too lazy to give her full name in the restaurant. The Dog Pres. is also pretty lazy.
    2. She got/could easily get the gold slippers.
    3. She came from the school Chima mentioned.
    4. Both she and Chima love dogs.
    5. She seems closer to the Dad than any other girl, even though it is as a friend (for now). She also gets along instantly with Chima.
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    I hate being blunt but I love being blunt to get my point across.

    My take on this is exactly what the thread starter (Maha II) suggested. And much like the first poster (Tumarilink), I guessed as much by the second issue.

    It's been my experience with Japanese materials of this nature that all the above assumptions are completely accurate. However, we may never know what exactly the mangaka is going for with all of this. I mean, who knows, the mangaka could actually surprise us all with a plot that's NOT TOTALLY PREDICTABLE. I mean, what we're all assuming is going to happen isn't mere fan fantasy - time and time again we've all seen scenario's somewhat like this played out. Regardless of the climax or plot devices to those scenarios, the plot twists seem the same. (Example: "By the way, I'm really your half brother." -or- "Please don't let my wife be my long lost sister!" -or- -- well, you get the idea.)

    Honestly, a story like this, hasn't crossed my eyes and I'm finding myself reading hoping "Man, I hope he hooks up with his daughter.". Sick, I know, but what exactly IS the mangaka going for if not that? It's my firm opinion that's direction he's taking this. Don't get me wrong, posters in this thread like JohnPeacekeeper could be totally right in assuming Chima's mother may be someone else, even if his opinion is that her mother is some lame filler character who looks like she's constantly stoned with her hidden vibrator cranked to 'MAX'. What I'm saying is, we're talking about a manga that's produced in the #1 country for published school girl tentacle-rape, and even child-porn passed off as acceptable pornographic material, you know, "Lolicon".

    I'm no activist. I'm only stating the fact that it's highly likely that this girl is totally her own mom. That's my opinion here.

    As for the specifics some of you guys want to get into about time travel and just HOW this series is going to deal with all of that, Who Cares! I'm as savvy and sensitive about the subject of time travel as the next H.G.Wells fanatic and "Back to the Future" movie buff, but seriously, guys, What The Hell? You're comparing MOVIES and BOOKS and even (in one comment or two) Solid Real World Theories on Time Travel with... with THIS!!?

    I mean, seriously, there's another thread about the fragility of what this mangaka is doing with time travel for this book. After what is obviously been too long of a discussion on the matter in too serious of a tone, let me make some things clear here. Whenever you read ANYTHING fictional, you should always bare in mind the rules of the world that it's creator is making as they tell the story. The same is very much true for just about every vampire movie/book/comic/tv show (and more) you and your whole family's been forced to read, watch or hear about since Dracula came out of the coffin years ago. The fact is, there have been so many different RULES to how vampires are sired, make minions or zombies, what they're weak against and even how they're defeated that it's obvious when you get into anyone's 'version' of Vampires, you're getting yourself into THEIR version of vampires.

    That was only an example, and let me tell you, it's quite obvious at this point that the mangaka doesn't care for any other rules on time travel other than the rules he is making up as this serialization goes on. If at any point he chooses to use any well known theories in this series, that can only be chalked up to his own preference and not the actual factual LAWS of time travel that some of you seem to have compiled after watching some movies and reading books Of Fiction. It's a common fact that none of us know how time travel truly works, or at least for the sake of realism, there are so many theories on the matter that if time travel IS possible, it's hard to say which theory applies as truth.

    From here, I suggest that those of you who insist applying the rules others have made/theorized on time travel to this manga As Absolute Fact, that you just sit back enjoy the ride. I'm not suggesting any of you don't like this or want it your way, but if you're going to opinionated, at least be objectively fair in your opinions. It seems like some of you feel forcing your opinions rather than just sharing them.

    My opinion ended where I began my rant on the fact that this mangaka is doing (or at least trying) something original. I personally can't wait to see where this is taken, even if it ends up being not so original after all or just ends up predictable. Sometimes, the most predictable story is one most worth telling. In this case.... Father X Daughter incest on a completely different and hopefully NOT CREEPY but just plain romantic level will work fine for me.

    There's too little of it on the Japanese market in the way of "Everyone can read this" instead of the usual "You'd have to be a PERV to read this". Besides, it's already making for an interesting romance under that assumption, so here's hoping for some hardcore father/daughter midnight monster mash in this manga's future!

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    watch it ends up being a person from the future who was sent back to infultrate the school to get close to them.

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    These theories of Chima being her own mother reminds me of a sci-fi movie from the 80's called Time Rider. Where the hero travels to the past does a little lovin' and BAM! he discovers he was his own Great-Great Grandfather. But as far as this story goes I 'm bettin' it's the Prez, but, based on Time Rider, I could be wrong

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    im thinking her mother may be the dog president girl. How do we know her mother even chose a nickname slightly related to herself. knowing the mother she could of went to the dog show alone and got the shoes herself for herself, and later ended up wth ichinose at a later time or something like that, him having nothing to do with the slippers. Iono, it's possible the things chimari remembering wont be of any help at all, afterall, did the two even date for awhile or was it like meet bam married?

    Although the genetics and such do make sense.

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    Like I said before in another thread, Ai-san has gone on record as having used the old (present-day) Sakuei uniform when she was there. Since Chima uses the new (future) uniform, she cannot be Ai-san.

    I'm still betting on the President, but maybe Kozakura (the cop) will yield us a surprise...

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