The Method (Driving the Kids Out) What do you think it is?

[ptsome110]

I think by driving them out he wants them to realize their lives are changed

they can no longer go back to partying or slacking off
so they come back to the cram session with even more vigor & pass the old hurdles with renewed confidence

[kameli]

I think by driving them out he wants them to realize their lives are changed

they can no longer go back to partying or slacking off
so they come back to the cram session with even more vigor & pass the old hurdles with renewed confidence

This does nothing but outlines the basic problems mangas suffers. Something like this work only because mangaka decides what happens. In real life school would fire a teacher like this.

[ZephDT]

This does nothing but outlines the basic problems mangas suffers. Something like this work only because mangaka decides what happens. In real life school would fire a teacher like this.

And that's exactly why in real life, losers will always be losers. Delinquents will never be able to step up in society, because teachers are not willing to defy the norm, or put themselves at risk for the sake of their students.

I think every school needs a teacher like Sakuragi Kenji.

[kameli]

And that's exactly why in real life, losers will always be losers. Delinquents will never be able to step up in society, because teachers are not willing to defy the norm, or put themselves at risk for the sake of their students.

I think every school needs a teacher like Sakuragi Kenji.

I think you should undestand that teachers/schoolsystem are the problem. Lets take homeworks for example: Usually teachers seems to believe that the hard discipline and the quantity (ie. Sakuragi Kenji) of the homeworks helps students to achieve better results. Wrong. A successfull schoolsystem needs quality over quantity from teachers/homeworks. Please note: Mangaka erroriously follows japanese ideology (high amount of homework + standard school + cramschool = bad results).

I believe you should read following research: http://www.mckinsey.com/App_Media/Re...tems_Final.pdf

[bushwhacker2k]

This does nothing but outlines the basic problems mangas suffers. Something like this work only because mangaka decides what happens. In real life school would fire a teacher like this.

Well, yes, they probably would be fired. The point is these are extreme measures and trying out things pretty much untried before.

They are pointing out that the students really don't see their lives going anywhere and thus they feel like they want to take chances on things like this.

I personally think it's somewhat inspiring, the way they attempt to revolutionize the way they teach.

[DutchUncle]

Look up the American super-teacher John Taylor Gatto.

He's a genius, I don't agree with all he says, I could get kids to perform like the two heroes of this manga, myself. I'm a genius too.

The world is hard on geniuses. The American education system rejects geniuses of almost every sort. Not in total, but nearly total.

As Lao Tze said "Murder the talented." His meaning was different, for a different purpose, but the motivation is there in humans eternally: to murder genius in the crib.

[WilliamWizer]

I'm not sure why but seeing this teacher makes me remember the Dead Poets Society film.

on that film we see what happens when a teacher does his best to teach even against the values of "tradition, honour, discipline and excellence" that most schools even today think as important.

I'm not a teacher myself but I do feel that to teach we need to use any and all means available. we are working to teach the young generation how to make a better world and nothing is more important that this.

[bushwhacker2k]

Look up the American super-teacher John Taylor Gatto.

He's a genius, I don't agree with all he says, I could get kids to perform like the two heroes of this manga, myself. I'm a genius too.

The world is hard on geniuses. The American education system rejects geniuses of almost every sort. Not in total, but nearly total.

As Lao Tze said "Murder the talented." His meaning was different, for a different purpose, but the motivation is there in humans eternally: to murder genius in the crib.

"What does the school do with the children? Gatto takes this in "Dumbing Us Down", the following propositions:

1. It makes the children confused. It presents an incoherent ensemble of information that the child needs to memorize to stay in school. Apart from the tests and trials that programming is similar to the television, it fills almost all the "free" time of children. One sees and hears something, only to forget it again.
2. It teaches them to accept their class affiliation.
3. It makes them indifferent.
4. It makes them emotionally dependent.
5. It teaches them a kind of self-confidence that requires constant confirmation by experts (provisional self-esteem).
6. It makes it clear to them that they cannot hide, because they are always supervised."

Wow, sounds like he and I could get along.

Also, I don't know specifically about other education systems but I probably wouldn't write off America as being the only country that messes up here.

I'm a genius too.

OH, okay, I'm sorry that questioning you even crossed my mind.

[Lowlightt]

Mangaka erroriously follows japanese ideology (high amount of homework + standard school + cramschool = bad results).


Well actually they do lead to bad results. Unfortunately this tends to lead kids to doing well on tests, specifically placement tests, like those used for college entrance exams. As well as local grading tests like the Kats test. This coupled with the current school systems idea of beating out diversity in thinking leads to Trivial Pursuit Syndrome. Think of it as large quantities of trivial knowledge but lacking the ability of comprehension. It makes great kids who will get into Universities, but ironically makes terrible students for college.

[LEelQ]

Since we're on the topic of education systems I think there must be a balance; as a student there must be a certain level of knowledge on the topic that you are required to know like facts, definitions, figures, formula and general stuff you memorize. On the other hand you cannot crowd a student's brain with these details because students need to learn to think critically or analytically.

Since I'm not American, our education system is basically a modified British system and our version of A' Levels has alot of memorization. SATs I believe is more of an aptitude examination, and unlike A Levels you don't necessarily have to study as it tests your ability to work out the problems using what you have... but there is too little attention placed on specialisation of topics and we have university aged students learning things we learnt during A Levels...

NOOWW if we combine these two I believe we would have created the perfect education system D that's just my opinion...