Originally Posted by teghoune
sorry jarta, but I'm with nethernity here. the first time I saw aph, I didn't bother with it because of it being shounen ai. then, the second time around, I actually misread the shounen ai in aph, and thought, hmm, shounen+history+comedy+slice of life=MUST TRY, MUST READ, WIN! APH would be something I'll recommend to a homophobic male friend, actually. the hints are THAT scarce
err... Actually, Nethernity, it's how you define shounen ai. Shounen ai is milder than yaoi. so, the hints there are what made it shounen ai... probably. I'm just still confused as what is shounen ai. Kuroshitsuji is filled with shounen ai-ness, but nobody ever tagged it as such. what's worse, some people are actually defending the manga to be pure shounen manga, without any trace of shounen ai at all, that it's pure fandom etc etc. you probably have read other hardcore shounen ai and based them as a standard.
I'd like to add to jarta's links, read the first part of the Christmas Bloodfest X3 it's not just implied USUK. UK himself poured out his heartache with a certain guy whom he loved and couldn't get over for hundreds of years. hell, he even sobered up just cause the idea was brought up. that's one of the shounen ai moments that really made me think, ok that one's shounen ai.
But the hints are scarce, and often used as comedy. That's only something i see in testosterone filled action-packed shounen manga... like the valentine strips, it just makes me think, aww germany, you really suck at reading people's emotion! Geez, you're jumping to conclusions Germany! things aren't like that between the two of you and you rode along. try dating France if you want to know what it's really like. Something like that came to mind. I think I'm the only one who didn't conclude about germany having a crush on italy. He's just happy to make friends and hasty to get into a relationship the moment he sees that there's something like that was bound to happen... o.O
About Chibitalia... well, everyone thought he was a girl, save for Hungary. but then again, Hungary was thought to be a boy. So it makes me think that some of the kids are just unaware of their sexuality. So if HRE knew of that, his relationship with chibitalia would probably become an overly doting brother instead. in my head, that still doesn't count as shounen ai! *A*
as for a sweden being a gay dude... there's always a one or two gay dudes out there. hell, there was a gay couple in yu yu hakusho, but that's something i'll never consider shounen ai. and don't forget, there was even a time in bleach where one macho scary arancar dude said to Byakuya "why won't you accept my love!?!?!?!" O.O so, even with a direct confession like that, I still never considered bleach to have shounen ai tendencies.... a gay dude or two or five is not enough. don't forget Sweden only acts that way to finland, so without finland there, he wouldn't be gay. and remember that finland keeps denying that he's Sweden's wifey? finland is sooo sweden's wifey but Finland killing us fans like that just makes me think, aww dammit Fin, you just blasted off my dream! and the way he denied it made me remember Kurama of YYH; ie. "it only looks that way, and if you keep insisting that I'm like that, then prepare to eat my wrath".
I've only remember reading about Japan and greece having sex in the fandom, and not the actual time I read that strip... maybe it occurred to me in an instance, but.... anybody care to add a link?
I guess I'll just conclude this: the shounen ai in APH is weak, so if you're reading this because of that tag, sorry, it might disappoint you. But it's actually there, if you look hard enough for it. APH is what you make of it, actually. If you want to see it as shounen ai, you could see it that way. If you want to see it as just plain comic relief, well, you could see it that way too.
the shounen ai may/may not be removed. I couldn't care less about it. What I want removed is the ROMANCE part. er... there's a bit of love here and there, but the manga itself isn't about love, fluff, and finding that one true love. it's a comedy a parody, fine add the shounen ai there... I can't find the romance >< the shounen ai may be weak, the romance is weaker.